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You gays can get married but you can't kiss on TV

You gays can get married but you can't kiss on TV

Who's saying what

It doesn't involve kissing (yet) but I just want to give a giant shout-out to the last two episodes of Neighbours, which lead up to and reveal that one of the supporting characters, Summer's boyfriend...

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It's always nice when an idea you've been percolating for some time is suddenly a) in the public eye and b) collides with another, broader issue, ending up in a great confluence of blogging fuel.

To wit: what's up with gay characters not kissing on my television set?

I first had pause to think of this not while watching television, but when I went to see Valentine's Day (DON'T JUDGE ME!) with a friend; I watched it again, desperate to pass the time, on my flight back from the States this week.

If you haven't seen it, you probably won't, so it will spoil nothing for you to note that Bradley Cooper and McSteamy are in a relationship that has been on rocky ground - presumably due to McSteamy's refusal to come out (he plays an NFL star) - and finally gets back on track as the sun goes down on the titular day.

Perfect moment for a pash fest, right? WRONG!

This (soz, no embedding) is what you get:



We actually thought there was a reel missing and hollered at the projectionist. But no, upon re-watching the film on the plane, I was dismayed to discover it was not a technical difficulty, there's just no kiss!

So, when I read yesterday that Glee's Ryan Murphy had criticised the lack of gay pash-a-rama on television, specifically with regards to Modern Family, I clapped my hands with, well, glee.

Here's what he said:

"I hate it on TV shows, and there’s one show that I won’t name right now, where it’s like ‘Why aren’t these character kissing? Don’t they have a child?’ That’s ridiculous to me. I don’t understand it."

I don't understand it, either.

(For what it's worth, I do love both shows, and Modern Family has for the most part been very pro-gay. And, incidentally, Modern Family creator Steven Levitan had previously given thoughtful and rather saddening reasons for the lack of pash action.)

The television rules seem to dictate - with the obvious exceptions of shows such as Queer As Folk (der), True Blood, and Skins - that "lesbian" kisses (which are traditionally between two straight female characters, anyway)  are okay, but to see two men kiss is anathema.

What gives, television land?

Proposition 8 was just overturned, it's the 21st century, are we still so scared of gay men that to show them kissing - even two gay characters who are married and have a child! - outside of so-called niche programming might set fire to our television sets?

I wracked my brain to think of the last time I saw gay male characters represented honestly and without bombast; all I could think of was back in the eaaaaarly days of Secret Life Of Us (but even then, any pashing was part of the turmoil that Richie went through when wrestling with his blossoming sexuality) and, er, Number 96?

Please feel free to enlighten me of any other happy instances of gay characters being free to express themselves like every. other. single. character. on. television, because I'm drawing mostly blanks.

Can't we all just get our pash on?
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  • Jasper's avatar
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    Jasper
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 11:26 AM
    I totally agree with Ryan Murphy, but I find it a little hypocritical when the (only) gay character in his show is 80% two-dimensional schtick. But now I'm totally distracted by an even more pressing issue: what's 80% of two dimensions?
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    rachaelkendrick
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 11:38 AM
    One surprisingly progressive show on this front is dramafest 'Brothers and Sisters.' They have a (hot) married gay couple who kiss, hug and acknowledge that they have sex. It's totes unexpected and pretty orsum. But they are a sad minority.
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    clembastow
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 11:40 AM
    I tried to work that out in my head, Jasper, but then steam started coming out of my nose.
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    brittinboots
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 11:54 AM
    Rewind back to the 90s, and in the UK there was This Life, which had probably the most honest portrayals of gay male characters that I've ever seen on television. So much progression was made with TV shows such as This Life and Queer as Folk, so why have we now moved backwards?
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    VeraBermuda
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 12:41 PM
    I was disappointed watching a dvd of the Sarah Silverman Show the other day when the gay couple told each other "I love you" and then shared a very heart warming fist bump. For someone intent on pushing absolutely everyone's buttons you'd think Silverman wouldn't be afraid of "going there".
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    chickchickchicken
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 1:39 PM
    On the very last episode of Dawsons Creek, 2004. Jack kisses Pacey's brother Doug and they end up getting together and raising (dead) Jen's daughter. Beautiful!
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    clembastow
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 4:11 PM
    That was a quality finale episode, wasn't it?
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    robbie
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    Thursday 05 Aug 2010 - 6:18 PM
    I Think theres still way too many heterosexual men who are still afraid; running tv networks, specially on commercial tv. Both Skins and Queer As Folk, were on ABC and SBS.
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    Monday 09 Aug 2010 - 9:58 PM
    It doesn't involve kissing (yet) but I just want to give a giant shout-out to the last two episodes of Neighbours, which lead up to and reveal that one of the supporting characters, Summer's boyfriend Chris, is gay, and has a crush on Andrew Robinson. OMG. I did not even see it coming! But I rewatched the Friday episode online and subtle clues are laid. I have to say this is a well-written story arc, and is contributing to a good run of stories lately on the series. It's interesting also that most of them have the theme of secrets. Anyway, the way it is being handled this time seems way less scandal driven than the time Lana hooked up with Sky - which had the hot lesbian/bisexual factor in it as well. This is smart writing on Neighbours, which can be rare. I imagine though Chris won't become a main character or still be around next year.
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